I wonder if buying other game's account with gw money is legal - Guild Wars Forums

voltz_Maker · Jun 15, 2008, 03:35 AM // 03:35

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Since my first day of gaming, i saw people selling runescape high level accounts for very cheap price like 15k. I always told them it was illegal and that they are going to be banned. But they said it was legal. I dont no who to trust. Please tell me if its legal to buy other game's account with gw money.

Thanks

xxDEEDSxx · Jun 15, 2008, 03:41 AM // 03:41

sounds illegal to me. correct me if im wrong i havnt played runescape ina very long time..but i think in runescape its agianst the rules to BUY AND TRADE accounts if you buy themon runescape or if you buy them on guild wars your still buying them. now to the point of them getting banned if they buy them on guild wars no prob not because runescape cant prove you bought the account on guild wars. atleast thats what i think :P

Mortal Amongst Mere Gods · Jun 15, 2008, 03:41 AM // 03:41

No. The use for in-game for currency for real-life or other-game material is still against the EULA. Just as if trying to buy in-game currency with real-life material.

And anyone who's selling RS accounts needs to get a life anyways.

PS: you won't get banned for it unless the trade actually happens. ANet's so careless these days that advertisement won't matter. Hell, I actually wouldn't doubt that you could get away with the trade. This however, is not to say that you should. I don't recommend any such form of trading.

The Red Messenger · Jun 15, 2008, 03:47 AM // 03:47

can you buy boggle with monopoly money?

the whole thing is rediculous. anything you cant put in the trade window should not be traded. even selling/buying a guild is stupid to me.

Lawrence Chang · Jun 15, 2008, 03:47 AM // 03:47

Its illegal, but it SHOULD be legal.

Moral55 · Jun 15, 2008, 03:54 AM // 03:54

It's a scam, and an obvious one too.

Bowstring Badass · Jun 15, 2008, 03:54 AM // 03:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawrence Chang

Its illegal, but it SHOULD be legal.

And your an idiot. Its illegal to save support from idiots like you who bought these so called high lvl accounts.

Lawrence Chang · Jun 15, 2008, 03:59 AM // 03:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

And your an idiot. Its illegal to save support from idiots like you who bought these so called high lvl accounts.

Uhm no. I'm saying it should be legal to at least sell what you already paid for.

Ex : GW accounts. We paid money for the key/acc/game, yet Anet is preventing us from selling what we already bought.

Chthon · Jun 15, 2008, 04:28 AM // 04:28

Illegal? No, it doesn't violate any criminal laws or regulations.

Unlawful? Yes, it violates the EULA for both GW and Runescape, which are (at least in some jurisdictions) binding contracts.

pamelf · Jun 15, 2008, 05:09 AM // 05:09

we don't technically buy the game...we are technically renting server space. That's the best way I can put it. All the content, our accounts etc belong to Anet, we are simply paying for the right to USE it...

KZaske · Jun 15, 2008, 05:22 AM // 05:22

The doctrine of first sale may apply here. As recently proven in court, this doctrine over-rides the EULA. If you want to sell your account, you can as long as you transferr everything directly related to that account. I think they need to update the EULA for the United States.

What court case? Ask Autocad or e-bay. Here is a link: http://aecnews.com/news/2008/05/21/3414.aspx

Sometimes I wonder why anyone would accept virtual money, but what ever floats your boat.
Edit: I would like to point out that is you buy the account with virtual money and for the doctrine to apply, you should recieve the manuals, boxes and software CDs. Without those items I do not think you could make a case that the doctrine actually applies.

Fanita · Jun 15, 2008, 05:28 AM // 05:28

I see people buying RuneScape accounts all the time and I'm not going to lie, I want nothing more than to jip them. Such idiots! How stupid can you be to even try buying a RuneScape account on Guild Wars? Hmm, would it be bannable for me to teach these nerds a lesson about buying RuneScape accounts?

Leonhart · Jun 15, 2008, 05:34 AM // 05:34

All I think of when people try buying ingame GW accounts are idiotic people that actually agree like: i.e.

Buyer: I'll pay you 500k to your account if you sell your account
Fool *thinks its a great deal*
Fool *Accepts 500k onto account and then gives the info to the buyer*
Buyer *is now inpossession of a new account with 500k on it*

I mean if people are selling their accounts which I'd assume they would not play GW anymore so what would they do this with ingame money?

obsidian ectoplasm · Jun 15, 2008, 06:16 AM // 06:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawrence Chang

Uhm no. I'm saying it should be legal to at least sell what you already paid for.

Ex : GW accounts. We paid money for the key/acc/game, yet Anet is preventing us from selling what we already bought.

No i think the guy calling you an Idiot would be the best thing to say.

obsidian ectoplasm · Jun 15, 2008, 06:22 AM // 06:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by pamelf

we don't technically buy the game...we are technically renting server space. That's the best way I can put it. All the content, our accounts etc belong to Anet, we are simply paying for the right to USE it...

Yes that is correct

Riotgear · Jun 15, 2008, 07:54 AM // 07:54

What you bought is a license. It's the same thing as buying a ticket to an amusement park, all you get is a conditional and revocable privilege to enter the park. In the case of Guild Wars, it is a not a transferable license, which is stated no less than 4 times in the user agreement, so the only person that is allowed to use your account is you (or strictly speaking, a minor you're the parent/guardian of).

http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...-agreement.php

Also, read section 4(c) if you want to know how much you own, and remember that you agreed to that provision multiple times.

As for the Autodesk case, keep in mind that Guild Wars is not simply about owning a copy of a piece of software, it's about having a license to access the service as well. Enforcing the non-transferable nature of event tickets, for example, has stood the test of time quite well.

GaaaaaH · Jun 15, 2008, 08:05 AM // 08:05

It breaks the EULA, and thus is disallowed

DarkNecrid · Jun 15, 2008, 08:26 AM // 08:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawrence Chang

Uhm no. I'm saying it should be legal to at least sell what you already paid for.

Ex : GW accounts. We paid money for the key/acc/game, yet Anet is preventing us from selling what we already bought.

You paid money for access to the game. You don't even own your account, ArenaNet does (said in the EULA). They have the right to ban you for anything they want and there is nothing you can do about it (well, you can argue with support, but good luck there). They won't, but they can. They could very well just ban you for having 5 e's in your characters name if they so wanted, because all you pay for is access, they set the rules, and they say you can't sell your game for irl money, which means if you get caught, they will ban you easily.

Syn Wind · Jun 15, 2008, 10:09 AM // 10:09

can you buy boggle with monopoly money?... lolol i thought that bit was humorous,

dont buy any other game with gw money , majority of the time too 100 % of the time is just a a scam, ive seen those players trying to do that myself, i just laugh along with many others, if ur playing gw , why would u want to go play something like runescape, ?? oO ./shrugs

Kumu Honua · Jun 15, 2008, 10:30 AM // 10:30

I report all account buyers. Report always responds saying that they have verified a violation and banned/suspended the account.

I'd say that's pretty definitive proof of a bad idea.

Jun 15, 2008, 03:35 AM // 03:35	#1
voltz_Maker Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2008 Guild: Lost Profession: E/	I wonder if buying other game's account with gw money is legal Read title. Since my first day of gaming, i saw people selling runescape high level accounts for very cheap price like 15k. I always told them it was illegal and that they are going to be banned. But they said it was legal. I dont no who to trust. Please tell me if its legal to buy other game's account with gw money. Thanks

Jun 15, 2008, 05:22 AM // 05:22	#11
KZaske Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Boise Idaho Guild: Druids Of Old (DOO) Profession: R/Mo	The doctrine of first sale may apply here. As recently proven in court, this doctrine over-rides the EULA. If you want to sell your account, you can as long as you transferr everything directly related to that account. I think they need to update the EULA for the United States. What court case? Ask Autocad or e-bay. Here is a link: http://aecnews.com/news/2008/05/21/3414.aspx Sometimes I wonder why anyone would accept virtual money, but what ever floats your boat. Edit: I would like to point out that is you buy the account with virtual money and for the doctrine to apply, you should recieve the manuals, boxes and software CDs. Without those items I do not think you could make a case that the doctrine actually applies. Last edited by KZaske; Jun 15, 2008 at 05:28 AM // 05:28..

Jun 15, 2008, 03:41 AM // 03:41	#2
xxDEEDSxx Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2008	sounds illegal to me. correct me if im wrong i havnt played runescape ina very long time..but i think in runescape its agianst the rules to BUY AND TRADE accounts if you buy themon runescape or if you buy them on guild wars your still buying them. now to the point of them getting banned if they buy them on guild wars no prob not because runescape cant prove you bought the account on guild wars. atleast thats what i think :P

Jun 15, 2008, 03:41 AM // 03:41	#3
Mortal Amongst Mere Gods Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Riding the spiral Profession: W/	No. The use for in-game for currency for real-life or other-game material is still against the EULA. Just as if trying to buy in-game currency with real-life material. And anyone who's selling RS accounts needs to get a life anyways. PS: you won't get banned for it unless the trade actually happens. ANet's so careless these days that advertisement won't matter. Hell, I actually wouldn't doubt that you could get away with the trade. This however, is not to say that you should. I don't recommend any such form of trading.

Jun 15, 2008, 03:47 AM // 03:47	#4
The Red Messenger Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: America	can you buy boggle with monopoly money? the whole thing is rediculous. anything you cant put in the trade window should not be traded. even selling/buying a guild is stupid to me.

Jun 15, 2008, 03:47 AM // 03:47	#5
Lawrence Chang Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: United States Guild: [SOHE] Profession: W/	Its illegal, but it SHOULD be legal.

Jun 15, 2008, 03:54 AM // 03:54	#6
Moral55 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: SNOW Profession: E/Me	It's a scam, and an obvious one too.

Jun 15, 2008, 04:28 AM // 04:28	#9
Chthon Grotto Attendant Join Date: Apr 2007	Illegal? No, it doesn't violate any criminal laws or regulations. Unlawful? Yes, it violates the EULA for both GW and Runescape, which are (at least in some jurisdictions) binding contracts.

Jun 15, 2008, 05:09 AM // 05:09	#10
pamelf Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Australia Guild: Lost Templars [LoTe] Profession: Me/Mo	we don't technically buy the game...we are technically renting server space. That's the best way I can put it. All the content, our accounts etc belong to Anet, we are simply paying for the right to USE it...

Jun 15, 2008, 05:28 AM // 05:28	#12
Fanita Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2008 Profession: W/P	I see people buying RuneScape accounts all the time and I'm not going to lie, I want nothing more than to jip them. Such idiots! How stupid can you be to even try buying a RuneScape account on Guild Wars? Hmm, would it be bannable for me to teach these nerds a lesson about buying RuneScape accounts?

Jun 15, 2008, 05:34 AM // 05:34	#13
Leonhart Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ascalon City Profession: W/	All I think of when people try buying ingame GW accounts are idiotic people that actually agree like: i.e. Buyer: I'll pay you 500k to your account if you sell your account Fool thinks its a great deal Fool Accepts 500k onto account and then gives the info to the buyer Buyer is now inpossession of a new account with 500k on it I mean if people are selling their accounts which I'd assume they would not play GW anymore so what would they do this with ingame money?

Jun 15, 2008, 07:54 AM // 07:54	#16
Riotgear has 3 pips of HP regen. Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: The Objective Is More [Cash] Profession: W/	What you bought is a license. It's the same thing as buying a ticket to an amusement park, all you get is a conditional and revocable privilege to enter the park. In the case of Guild Wars, it is a not a transferable license, which is stated no less than 4 times in the user agreement, so the only person that is allowed to use your account is you (or strictly speaking, a minor you're the parent/guardian of). http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...-agreement.php Also, read section 4(c) if you want to know how much you own, and remember that you agreed to that provision multiple times. As for the Autodesk case, keep in mind that Guild Wars is not simply about owning a copy of a piece of software, it's about having a license to access the service as well. Enforcing the non-transferable nature of event tickets, for example, has stood the test of time quite well.

Jun 15, 2008, 08:05 AM // 08:05	#17
GaaaaaH Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2008 Profession: W/	It breaks the EULA, and thus is disallowed

Jun 15, 2008, 10:09 AM // 10:09	#19
Syn Wind Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2008	can you buy boggle with monopoly money?... lolol i thought that bit was humorous, dont buy any other game with gw money , majority of the time too 100 % of the time is just a a scam, ive seen those players trying to do that myself, i just laugh along with many others, if ur playing gw , why would u want to go play something like runescape, ?? oO ./shrugs

Jun 15, 2008, 10:30 AM // 10:30	#20
Kumu Honua Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2008	I report all account buyers. Report always responds saying that they have verified a violation and banned/suspended the account. I'd say that's pretty definitive proof of a bad idea.